How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

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ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Is parental involvement in their daughters' marriages beneficial? Why or why not?

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

What qualities do single women typically look for in a man? Is it a common preference for women to want a man who earns more than they do?

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

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ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

How do I come out as queer to my best friend in a funny and stupid way?

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

If there is an abandoned house with no owner, can I live in it?

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

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Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Is it true that all men want a woman who looks like an Instagram “model”?

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

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There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

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ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

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You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

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He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

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— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

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ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

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ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

I am like a fish out of water,

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Now here in this verse

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Sain (a barber)

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

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Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

CONCLUSION:

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

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Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

then who is there to know what happens without?

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Kabir (a weaver)

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

NOW…

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.